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Jon and special guest host, Karen Larson, talk with Karl Staib, CEO of Digtofly.com. Karl helps online leaders design better mental models to help with their purpose, productivity and resilience.

Karl Staib is the founder of the Dig to Fly Method. He trains people to use this method to and opportunities in their struggles. He has been featured by Forbes, NPR and Zen Habits and has worked with great companies such as Philips Global, Southwest Research Institute and Pioneer Nation.

*E – explicit language may be used in this podcast.